Episode 26 – Lobby Day Pt. 2 – Advocacy by Social Workers in the Political Arena with Brenda Rosen (NASW-KY) and students Tori Monnett, Shyan Stivers, and Daniel Beasley

Episode 26 – Lobby Day Pt. 2 – Advocacy by Social Workers in the Political Arena with Brenda Rosen (NASW-KY) and students Tori Monnett, Shyan Stivers, and Daniel Beasley

Lobby Day Part 2 of 2 : Advocacy by Social Workers in the Political Arena. Dr. Jones talks with Brenda Rosen (NASW-KY) and students Tori Monnett, Shyan Stivers, and Daniel Beasley about how social workers can and should have a voice in politics and policy.



NASW Kentucky Social Work Lobby Day 2019 Facebook Event – https://www.facebook.com/events/220581482193023/
NASW-KY Advocacy Tools – http://naswky.com/advocacy-tools
NASW Advocacy Website – https://www.socialworkers.org/Advocacy
Find Your Legislator (Kentucky): http://www.lrc.ky.gov/Find%20Your%20Legislator/Find%20Your%20Legislator.html

SAFY of Lexington https://www.safy.org/kentucky

Middle Music: Fishing by David Szesztay is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution License.



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Episode 26 – Lobby Day Pt. 2 – Advocacy by Social Workers in the Political Arena with Brenda Rosen (NASW-KY) and students Tori Monnett, Shyan Stivers, and Daniel Beasley

Blake: [00:00:02] Hello and welcome to the social work Conversations podcast produced by the University of Kentucky College of Social Work. My name is Blake Jones. Here we explore the intersection of social work research practice and education. Our goal is to showcase the amazing people associated with our college and to give our listeners practical tools that they can use to change the world.

Blake: [00:00:25] Well on today’s podcast we’re doing something a little bit different here in Kentucky we have something called Lobby Day coming up on March the 7th 2019 in Frankfort Kentucky which is our state capitol here. And on today’s podcast we’ve talked with several different people that are affiliated with the University of Kentucky College of Social Work. And I’m really excited about this podcast. We’ve stitched together different perspectives. We’ve talked with Brenda Rosen who is the executive director of the National Association of Social Workers here in Kentucky. We’ve talked to several students Tori Monnett and Shyan Stivers and Daniel Beasley – these are undergraduate students who are very interested in advocacy and policy work. And so I hope you’ll like this podcast. We’ll hear from their different perspectives. We’re certainly promoting lobby day March 7th but we also want to talk more broadly about social work advocacy and political participation in social work. So we hope you will listen to and share this podcast widely especially here in Kentucky. We’re excited about March 7th 2019 lobby day and we hope that you will be there if you can. We hope that you will support our students and faculty as they travel there and really faculty and students all over Kentucky. It’s an exciting day. So mark your calendars March 7th 2019.

Blake: [00:02:07] We are joined today by Brenda Rosen – this is your second time on our podcast Brenda. We keep asking you back.

Brenda: [00:02:14] Thrilled to be back. We love Social Work conversations and share it all the time on our Facebook page.

Blake: [00:02:20] Thank you for doing that – you are executive director of the NASW Kentucky chapter of the National Association of Social Workers. And I’m also joined by Tori Monnett – Tori, you graduated from our college last year as an undergraduate and you’re getting ready to go into your masters program next fall in the fall. Well thank you for coming on as well. I’m here to talk with both of you about an exciting day that we have coming up in Kentucky called Lobby Day. We started several years ago I think and it’s in Frankfurt Kentucky which is our our capitol. Tell us Brenda a little bit about how it started.

Brenda: [00:03:01] Well we are thrilled to have been part of this for a number of years. This goes back this definitely predates my work with NASW but also when I was on the board back and 2011 we were very involved and active with the Lobby Day. I think we’re all very proud that we have over the past three years collaborated with Kentucky Society for Clinical Social Work. And this year are adding the Kentucky Association for school social workers and the Kentucky Association of Social Work educators because we do want this to be a collaborative event for all social work students and all social workers and professionals in active practice or retired. And it’s an opportunity for us to gather at the people’s house and celebrate with a rally in the rotunda at 1:00p.m. One of our our keynote is going to be Donna Pollard from survivors corner who will come and give an inspiring talk about how one voice really can make the difference and we will be highlighting students from across the state and other professionals who are very involved in the social work profession. We encourage people to come early so they can schedule meetings with their representatives as well as attend committee meetings and then at 1:00 o’clock we’re going to rock the Rotunda.

Blake: [00:04:25] Great – rock the rotunda.

Brenda: [00:04:26] We’re going to rock the rotunda, Blake.

Blake: [00:04:28] With voices, musical instruments….

Brenda: [00:04:30] Now there’s an idea! (ha ha)

Blake: [00:04:32] Drums..

Brenda: [00:04:32] That might get us thrown out the drones but little music might help soothe the atmosphere.

[00:04:38] So let’s make sure we have the date correct. Tell us the date.

Brenda: [00:04:41] The date is Thursday March 7th 2019. And like I said we will be in that alcove in the basement of the Annex by the steps and the elevators will have a lot of information packets folders. We will have lobby captains who will be up on the second third and fourth floor helping people find their representatives and the Senate and the represented House of Representatives and we will be kind of directing people we hope that people again will make those appointments with their representatives so they can come in and have that opportunity to have their voice heard as well as to show the solidarity of our profession.

Blake: [00:05:24] Great great. Tori tell me a little bit about your interest in this particular day or just your interest in connecting with Kentucky legislators.

Tori: [00:05:37] Yeah. So it gives I get perspective because I can be involved. Have been involved as a student before and now I can be involved as a practicing social worker and as bluegrass Branch Chair for NASA Stubby’s so it gives you a good look at what how students can get involved with their legislators and representatives and how it can affect practicing social workers as well. I think it’s really important to go to lobby day as a student and sit in on those committee meetings that interest you and talk to your representatives that interest to you about different topics and kind of hearing what they had to say to you and what you have to say to them it gives you a feeling like you’re involved in and I think it allows students to be more interested in the policy top of social work that we can do. And I think it just is a good learning experience for students and I think that’s definitely something we need to focus on.

Blake: [00:06:30] Yeah what a great opportunity for students to to do this in mind are saying that it has grown over the years and started out with just a handful of students and it keeps growing and growing and growing. Why. Why do you think that’s true?

Tori: [00:06:46] You know I think that there is such a value both in what we what we learn and what we teach in the classroom and bringing that out to real life experience. And I’m just so honored to be part of the entire profession across the state. I mean our schools are amazing and the energy Siteman we spent a lot of time going out into the schools leading up to lobby day. We sent out information we encourage schools and we still want that too. If you’re listening for schools to do little videos that we can put on our YouTube station we have an advocacy tool kit that was created by NSW two of our wonderful interns last year on Dean Quinn and Tony Goodwin. And so we really want to make sure that everybody feels included it’s a little difficult. Some schools with the time change and the drive and the distance the weather winter weather especially as we’re seeing you know it’s difficult for them to come so we are looking at options with with our way western areas like Broacha and Murray State to have some kind of live feeds on lobby day so that people can and students can still feel involved but it’s really exciting and it’s exciting to see the professors really engaging their students and embedding this into some of the courses you know talking about the advocacy toolkit and the importance of policy and I think that that is whether students are like I want to do macro or mezzo or micro this pulls it all together and I think that’s the beauty and I think our voices have to be heard in the state of Kentucky loud and clear. So this is one of the best educational opportunities to do that.

Blake: [00:08:27] Sounds very exciting Tori for you. I don’t think I ask you about your job. Tell us a little bit about what you do professionally.

Tori: [00:08:37] So I graduated in December with my undergrad degree and as the bluegrass Branch Chair of NSW have been little over six months or so six or seven months and then as as I was graduating I got a job at SAFY of Lexington as their family development specialist helping train and educate foster families or potential foster parents and keep on going with their training and then I start my master’s program in the fall this year.

Blake: Tell us what SAFY means

special alternatives for the youth of America. So we focus on foster children and we kind of reinforce reunification with their families and with their biological families and we also are a therapeutic agency so we take on children who have mental health issues or behavioral issues of any kind and we kind of give therapy as well as fostering the family so we kind of do it on two avenues.

Blake: [00:09:38] I’m curious how your thinking may have evolved over your time as a student. You know, I don’t think most undergraduate students and even social work undergraduate students really come into the program really thinking that hey you know one day I’m going to go sit down with a legislator and talk with him about something that I’m interested in. How how did you change your thinking around that and how did you buy into this idea of really really advocacy at that level?

Tori: [00:10:10] So I think coming in as especially as a social work student you kind of put it all on your shoulders in terms of trying to make a change happen and that kind of stuff. But I think through the classes there are policy class and there being involved with NSW It really shows you that the teamwork between your legislators and between policy is how you affect that change. And I think once you understand that as a social work student it kind of changes your thinking and how to be a professional social worker and how to develop your agency or stay in a better way.

Blake: [00:10:46] Brenda, you have sort of a bird’s eye view of a lot of different things of policy of practice of practicing social workers in Kentucky of students you’re a teacher you’re a part time instructor for our college. How do you think legislators view or students or what do they think when when students come to Frankfurt and want to meet with them.

Brenda: [00:11:11] That’s a really good question Blake and I think as social workers were taught to remain very bipartisan and to look at all sides of an issue and I think we carry that into the people’s house. And our goal is really to help engage educate and empower our legislators to understand what our profession is. We always say in class and in the communities you know when people hear the word social work or they think that we’re there to take away babies and you know that we are you know we are so many wonderful things that a lot of people don’t recognize and so we really have to be part of that culture change with our legislators to help them understand how important our role is our voices the advocacy the importance of social justice. I think above all really working together I had the chance to sit down with a wonderful representative and we were talking about some issues that impact social work. And from there we went onto some of the issues that are things that she wanted to develop and that was really exciting because it spoke exactly to what social work is and I said that there’s there’s other things you know it is it’s like an onion just keep peeling it back and so with every issue we’ve got so many in Kentucky right now that I think we really do need to spread that the emphasis on teamwork and again they are elected officials and so it’s important I think for us to bring many of the voices that may not be able to be as active but are very very you know are of the utmost importance for them to hear so we do look forward to engaging and we’re so you know we’re very proud we have Representative Susan Westrom who has a masters in social work and has been with the House of Representatives for 20 years and so she is an inspiration and she is someone that we are constantly telling students other professionals here is here’s an example of what we can do because our degrees can lead to so many amazing opportunities and skill sets.

Blake: [00:13:16] Tori what do you want to do with your master’s degree. You do have political aspirations? I kind of wanted to ask you both of those things…

Tori: [00:13:24] Not me. Several of my friends do. So I think it’s still important to get that view of how policy affects you. But after my masters I’ve really wanted to keep working and adoption services and hopefully end up somewhere in international adoption one day.

Blake: [00:13:42] Great. I want to thank you both for taking some time to to speak with us this morning. I’m really excited about March 7th I’ll try to be there if possible.

Brenda: [00:13:54] Oh thank you!

Blake: [00:13:55] And I’m so excited that it continues to grow over the years and thank you Brenda for for just your work in this area and for really encouraging and mentoring students and Tori thanks to you and thanks for being an inspiration to other students that I hope will follow your footsteps.

Tori: [00:14:14] Thank you.

Blake: [00:14:14] Thanks a lot for coming on.

Brenda: [00:14:15] Thank you Blake.

Blake: [00:14:22] Let’s talk now with a couple over undergraduate students Shyan Stivers and Daniel Beasley.

Blake: [00:14:26] Thank you guys for coming on. Really appreciate it. I know this is a busy time of the semester and you probably have papers and books to read and all kinds of stuff. So thanks for taking some time out to talk with me this morning. You’re here to talk with us a little bit more about lobby day in Frankfurt. You guys are a part of that but I really want to talk with you also more broadly about your interest in macro social work. Shyan I’ll start with you. Before we came on air here we were talking you used to be a micro.

Shyan: [00:14:59] Yeah I wanted to work in a nursing home for a really long time and then I volunteered at a nursing home and I loved it. But then I’ve just found that the more I explored social work aspects. I like other other fields more than that. So macro is just kind of been the one that I love the most.

Blake: [00:15:19] Yeah. So Daniel – How about you what led you to become involved in this?

Daniel: [00:15:23] Well honestly I believe that there is a lot that can be done and must be done on the policy level as it relates to the work that social workers do and that work has to be done in conjunction with the legislative process with just thinking about policy in general because when we think about policy implementation policy implementation affects all of us in one way or the other and finding ways to implement policies that affect the most people for the most good is what I think is important. And that’s really what led me to the macro track because I think that you can have such a major effect on a large number of people and that’s where I left politics so that’s that’s my thing.

Blake: [00:16:17] Yeah and we should clarify that you’re both undergraduate students in the College of Social Work here at the University of Kentucky.

Daniel: [00:16:26] Yes.

Blake: [00:16:26] And you mentioned that you had interned for a Kentucky legislator and that sort of changed your perspective on things. Tell us about that.

Shyan: [00:16:35] Yeah – I interned for a local legislator. Her name is Susan Westrom. She was on the House side and she was actually a social worker for 30 years and then became a lobbyist and then went into legislation. And I just didn’t really know that that like my voice mattered as much and she really instilled that in me. She made me follow her everywhere. She taught me from multiple different perspectives from a soldier workers perspective a representative’s perspective and a lobbyist perspective. And she got really instilled confidence in me that my voice mattered and that my opinions mattered and especially in this field. Well you have to really be strong in that. And she was just a very strong woman that I was like: this. I could I want to be her.

Blake: [00:17:21] So yeah she’s great. I bet you were really tired after following her around.

Shyan: [00:17:25] Four flights of stairs multiple times a day. It was exhausting. But I loved it.

Blake: [00:17:33] Yeah. So Daniel tell us about the perspective of a social worker versus a legislator. We see things differently right. Tell us a little bit about that difference and and how you’ve maybe bridged that gap a little bit in your work.

Daniel: [00:17:52] Sure absolutely. I I have found that and I believe that social work education provides unique opportunities for folks that are thinking about the legislative process and thinking about policy implementation in general social work education prepares you in a way that other professions are not. I believe as it relates to just having to think and look through so many different lenses at the same time and being able to when you are sitting down in front of a legislator being able to talk about policy issues and issues that affect our clients every day that we are looking at often from the micro, mezzo, macro perspective all the time and I have have said to so many folks that the again the social work education that we receive the education that social workers receive it prepares them to have conversations with folks that can really make a difference because we are thinking about and looking at so many different places. And we are really the voice of marginalized folks and folks that will never you know be able to possibly find a legislator’s office in Frankfurt or even know where to look for prefiled bills all those sorts of things that you know for me social worker I look at the LRC website pretty consistently just to know what’s going on because often people are not informed or are they don’t know where to look for information a lot of times and I think that being a social art student looking through that perspective knowing and thinking about ways to prepare folks to be involved in the legislative process and as Shane said just really finding their voice to be able to be involved in that.

Blake: [00:19:52] Good – Iwant to stick with you for a moment and talk with you about politics.

Daniel: [00:19:55] Sure.

Blake: [00:19:56] And this may be a treacherous place that we’re going into here.

Daniel: [00:19:59] ha ha.

Blake: [00:19:59] And I don’t mean for it to be that sure but you know social workers Brenda Rosen the executive director of NASW Kentucky. We just had her on this podcast as well and we talked about being non-partisan but you know I’m aware and you’re aware that this is a very weird political state that we’re in. I wonder for you what what role you see as a as a political of a person who’s interested in politics as a social worker who’s supposed to be nonpartisan but who also probably has very strong feelings about the political climate. How do you navigate those things?

Daniel: [00:20:48] You know I think that the place that we’re in in our political debate and discussions I think that we have lost the ability to just look at folks just for being folks even though they believe differently than us they may pray differently than us. They may love differently than us for that matter and finding the dignity of every person is just it’s a social work value and being able to navigate through those things even when it’s necessary to have conversations that are difficult and uncomfortable and I am always supportive of of having conversations that are difficult and uncomfortable because that’s really how we learn from each other but more importantly I think that just getting to know people and just sitting down and saying hey this is going to be a tough conversation but we have for a very long time as it relates to politics – left or right – we’ve been in separate corners just yelling at each other and we’re not getting things done. And as a social worker we have to be thinking about the folks that don’t have a voice and the marginalized folks and those are the people that consistently in the political process are forgotten. And regardless of whether you’re Democrat or Republican we have to, as social workers, that has to be completely irrelevant and not taking away from the importance of what people believe but finding solutions for what needs to get done is most important. And I think that all of us can see that what we’ve been doing isn’t working. So I think it’s just important for us to take a step back and really reconsider what’s important for social workers that should be top priority regardless of what side of the aisle you find yourself.

Blake: [00:22:56] That’s so important what you’re saying and and really the idea of civil discourse is feels very much gone in our current political climate.

Daniel: [00:23:09] Yeah.

Blake: [00:23:09] I posted on Facebook this morning there’s a great podcast that I love called the argument the New York Times does it and it has a liberal pundit and a conservative pundit and they just kind of sit at a table and talk about the issues of the day. They listen to each other respectfully they bring facts they don’t yell at each other or talk over each other and I thought that’s so rare you know in our in our country. There’s so much emotion and passion about things that we we have with each other we post memes are we. Yeah you know so I love that that idea of of really getting to the heart of it and being respectful even if somebody is very different than you. Shyan, we may have we probably do have some students listening all over the world really to our conversation and it sounds like you kind of underwent a transformation in your thinking about even your career as a social worker.

Shyan: [00:24:07] Definately.

Blake: [00:24:07] So what would you what would you tell them what advice would you give them if they’re kind of thinking about transitioning over to a more macro focus or policy focus. What advice would you give them?

Shyan: [00:24:19] So help me apply. Kind of like putting a hand in every pot trying every aspect just to make sure. So I did a lot of volunteer work with you know kids and the elderly and a bunch of different populations and then being able to work for a legislator or someone like Brenda for the NASW something on the macro scheme just really helped me understand and realise that that’s what I liked or even to do something in the realm of politics like canvas for someone who’s going up for an election or you know writing a legislator just to see if that’s something that you would either even have a passion in. I think is really important. I just really think that making sure you have experience in as many different different aspects of this field is important as a student just because unless you’re 100 percent sure that that is your passion it’s all you could always change. So that’s what I did.

Blake: [00:25:19] I can imagine it feels kind of overwhelming. I mean to think about all the different bills in the legislative process and the lobbyists and you know just all of the information that you have to be aware of. Do you feel overwhelmed by that sometimes?

Shyan: [00:25:36] I did at first because I hadn’t even taken a policy class or American government at all. So I was learning everything all at once. But just having like a helpful support system was really what made it doable for me. So on top of school and then learning all of this it was kind of like the weight of the world. But not after you get the hang of it it’s just so natural and you learn how to read the language of bills and how they word them to be you know for interpretation and then you then it’s just kind of like like second language to you.

Blake: [00:26:12] Yeah.

Shyan: [00:26:13] And I think it really did help to have Susan have so much experience in it for me because she was just such a great role model and knew how to talk to me as a student and as someone that was very new to this and her to have so much experience that was really what was helpful for me.

Blake: [00:26:34] Yeah that’s good. She’s such a wonderful role model I think for all of us as a social worker as a legislator as somebody who works very very hard but has the mind and the heart of a social worker.

Shyan: [00:26:48] And the passion she has she’s got a lot of a lot of energy and a lot of passion for someone who has been doing this for so long.

Blake: [00:26:55] Yeah yeah sure does. I want to kind of wind up and talk with you about what you want to do with your life as a social worker what do you kind of dream about.

Daniel: [00:27:05] Daniel you know I am as I said before a macro sort of policy person and I want to figure out ways to really get at the root of so many issues that we have for a very long time just allowed to continue to roll on and on and on as it relates to issues of income inequality and issues of mass incarceration and issues that really affect marginalized communities because I believe that on a consistent basis there have been there hasn’t been enough done and enough voices at the table that have been involved in the policy implementation process and I think being a person of color and also a member of the LGBTQ community it is incredibly important to do as much as I can in my life as possible to affect as many folks as possible and I think that in the arena of macro social work and macro practice I think that that’s where me personally I can have the most effect and that’s really what I want to do is find find ways and look at policies that have been implemented to make them better and to fix them and to look at what we’ve done wrong and to find ways to make those things better for as many folks as possible.

Blake: [00:28:36] So we won’t be seeing a senator Beasley some day? ha ha

Daniel: [00:28:40] ha ha…You know I won’t say no to that.

Blake: [00:28:44] That’s a great political answer – I won’t say no right now

Daniel: [00:28:50] ha ha..anything is possible.

Blake: [00:28:53] That’s great. How about you, Shyan?

Shyan: [00:28:53] Mine’s a little difficult because I am macro and I do know that I want to do something very similar to what Daniel said. But I have found myself completely transfixed with I guess my passion right now lies in mass incarceration and prison reform. So. Overall I’d really like to work on that for a while and I don’t really know what that means for me. So right now I’m pretty open to it. I’ve been working with a group an advocacy group called “Results” that has allowed me to kind of lobby on issues like and I’ve really enjoyed that too. They’re sending me back to D.C. next week actually to go meet with our congressmen. So anything like that I would be completely content with. So I’m just pretty open minded with it.

Blake: [00:29:42] That’s good – so Shyan – I want to ask you in particular about Lobby Day. We have a lobby day coming up March 7th is that right?

Shyan: [00:29:50] Yes.

Blake: [00:29:50] In Frankfurt Kentucky which is our capital here in Kentucky. There’s a student out there listening that says Wow it was his podcast that sounds pretty interesting. I’m interested in going what do they need to do to get there and before they get there.

Shyan: [00:30:04] So I think the most important thing to do is find a group. So I think it’s important to find people who are like minded so that you’re not alone in it. But it can be overwhelming if you are the only person but if you’re the only person and you want to show up there’s going to be kind and welcoming hands. So I think just finding people who might think like you so that you don’t feel alone and trying to ask the questions that you need to know because I was always scared to ask the questions because I’m the only one asking them to go out if I sound silly but you know question is silly and just finding like a good group to go with would be what I would recommend.

Blake: [00:30:43] Would it also be a good idea to maybe look at the LRC Legislative Research Commission here in Kentucky has a Web site called The LRC Web site look at profile bills would that be a good idea as well?

Shyan: [00:30:55] I would either say that but the only thing with that is if someone is completely new to policy the LRC Web site might be overwhelming to them.

Blake: [00:31:03] okay.

Shyan: [00:31:03] So I would even say if it is a social work student to go to any SWG Web website and see things that might pertain to their interests since they’re social work student their interest and then look at it on the LRC website. Because if you just go there sometimes it’s like where am I going. Where do I go from here. But I think the NASW website would be a good place to start. Or the Facebook page even social media is always a good way to ask questions and get your your questions out there. So either one would be would be a good starting point.

Blake: [00:31:34] Okay great. And Daniel for you I want to ask you just more broadly somebody sitting out there and listening to your story and saying that that sounds like a path that I might want to go into. Again I think it feels overwhelming to think about politics and legislators and all that stuff how do they start to get involved in social work advocacy macro social work political activity.

Daniel: [00:32:03] Sure you know it’s it’s really easy to feel disheartened by the process to feel just so disconnected and just a small fashions and a huge pond but it’s okay to feel that way but don’t let that stop you from being involved because first really know who your representatives are. That is incredibly important. Just knowing who your senator and your congressperson is knowing who those folks are and knowing what they stand for and get involved in the process. Go vote go to town halls you know whether or not you’re in Kentucky or New York or wherever somewhere around the world know who those people are and just don’t be overwhelmed by the process because at the end of the day there are so many folks that sit on the sidelines because they don’t think it matters that they’re involved or they don’t think that they’re going to have an effect on a legislator or whomever you’re thinking about in that position. But it’s understandable to be disheartened about the process and what is going on right now and whether it’s at the state or the national level for that matter just be involved. Your voice is important and it matters. And although it may seem like it is you know irrelevant to send a legislator a letter or to make a phone call about a bill that you find that doesn’t need to be passed or you feel like it needs to be passed and you want to advocate for it. Make that phone call write that letter. Go to that person’s office. Go to those town halls because every single person matters. We have seen it in the last couple of years. The power of political action enough folks just getting excited and involved in the process of policymaking and implementation and elections for that matter because every single one matters whether it is the mayor whether it is the district attorney the prosecutor all those sorts of elected offices every single one matters just show up because it’s important.

Blake: [00:34:18] Well I am so thankful that you guys took some time to come and talk with me. I’m really proud of you. You know as a faculty member I teach in the graduate program and I don’t get to interact with many undergraduate students. But I just want to let you know that I’m I’m just really proud of you and proud of the way that you represent our college and our profession. And I’m so thankful for young people like you that are that want to use your life to make things better not just you know in a micro way or a personal way but really at a at a deep policy and macro level. So thanks for coming on.

Daniel: [00:34:56] Absolutely. It’s been a pleasure.

Shyan: [00:34:58] Thank you. Sweet.

Blake: [00:35:02] You’ve been listening to the social work conversations podcast. Thanks for joining us. And now let’s move this conversation into action.

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